11:11 Angels Message Board

Yeah well I don't get my comments left up on TUB sites either. And yet I believe I have a very important point to make, but they have no ears to hear.

hugs
Geoff

"Purification" of the comment bins seems illogical, especially where comments* are identified as "personal opinion". Are not human brains designed to make independent decisions - brains that are nurtured and guided by celestial forces and personal companions?

Also, the internet can effectively balance comment purification by permitting posting elsewhere with creative references and links. I doubt that experienced internet surfers rely solely upon the content of a few web sites.

* Apparently, comment moderation is a slippery slope, necessary evil since some comments may stray far beyond "personal opinion", becoming highly inflammatory, totally unrelated to the topic, or devoid of useful content.

Rod

Well, I admire you both for trying. You get a chocolate for your efforts!

...or maybe not.
hugs,
Sandy

Sandy,

You're a bit psychic!

I got into a frustration feeding frenzy and dumped three different batches of Chilled Chunky Chocolate (one with sliced almonds, one with walnuts and raisins, and one with Matcha green tea) into a large bowl, heated it in the oven, added more raisins and coconut oil, then finished with a stirred platter of "chocolate whatever" that is now chillin'. Of course, nibbles, slurps, and licks of bowl, utensils, and counter accompanied the steps.

But then the chocolate overload had to be balanced with a bowl of cold Fiesta Rice mixed with fresh cilantro ... but not before an hors d'oeuvre of Pepper Jack cheese, seedy bread, and cherry tomatoes ... which followed a pre-hors d'oeuvre of cold Red Cabbage with Caraway.

What's for dessert? A digestion enzyme supplement.

Rod

What's for dessert? A digestion enzyme supplement.

Maybe even 2, eh? Well at least it was all pretty healthy.

My kingdom for some Pepper Jack cheese right Now!

xxSandy

Re: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ous-group/

"(Hillary) Clinton is visiting Colorado Tuesday to speak at the Boulder Theater before joining supporters for a $2,700-a-head fundraiser at the Denver home of Mo Siegel, the founder of the herbal tea conglomerate Celestial Seasonings."

Such a mixed blessing, this Breitbart article! And the occasional negativity is hardly reflective of Mo, but all UB readers should protest the "might have been based to some degree on the ravings of a lunatic patient." For nowhere in UB history is the sleeping subject identified as a "lunatic".

Re: http://www.skepdic.com/urantia.html

The sleeping subject was "a member of the Chicago Board of Trade, a highly pragmatic, hard-nosed business man who did not believe in 'psychic' phenomena or any such nonsense."

Nevertheless, the article is published - we're challenged to focus on the positive, redirecting inquirers to the Revelation and its dissemination.

Rod

"might have been based to some degree on the ravings of a lunatic patient."

Well, all I can say that if that were true, ( and of course its not) that would be the most brilliant lunatic patient I have ever encountered. (Not that I have encountered many. )

The sleeping subject was "a member of the Chicago Board of Trade, a highly pragmatic, hard-nosed business man who did not believe in 'psychic' phenomena or any such nonsense."

I was just curious how we know that, that he was a member of the Chicago Board of Trade.? ( out of the "Urantia Book discussion loop" am I)
xxSandy

I read a book about the Urantia Book by Larry Mullins that has another take on the Sleeping Subject from his own interviews and research.

Re: http://www.gloucestercitynews.net/clear ... -deer.html

"Once the deer reached the boat, the four began to circle the boat, looking directly at us."

Evidence of the functioning of the first five adjutant mind spirits (intuition, understanding, courage, knowledge, counsel) in animals since this might have been the first human rescue of these bucks (especially with a boat)? In other words, what guided these bucks to the boat and gave them confidence that they would be rescued?

Re: http://www.theub.org/part-ii.html#P036_5_13

"The adjutant mind-spirits experientially grow, but they never become personal. They evolve in function, and the function of the first five in the animal orders is to a certain extent essential to the function of all seven as human intellect. This animal relationship makes the adjutants more practically effective as human mind; hence animals are to a certain extent indispensable to man’s intellectual as well as to his physical evolution."

Rod

Re: http://investmentwatchblog.com/dogs-pro ... -behavior/

"A Yale study is shining new light on the complexity of the canine mind. In more ways than one, man’s best friend is trying to communicate with his master. Dogs not only observe human behavior but seem to engage in a moral evaluation of the people nearest them."

More evidence of adjutant mind spirit influence?

Rod

Re: http://aitnaru.org/images/Urantia_Papers.pdf

The UB as a PDF file (created earlier this year and
formatted with no page breaks within paragraphs)
Contains hyperlinks from Table of Contents to each Paper.

Described as the "Urantia Papers" because this file is not
a copy of a published Urantia Book (but has the same text).

Rod

"A Yale study is shining new light on the complexity of the canine mind. In more ways than one, man’s best friend is trying to communicate with his master. Dogs not only observe human behavior but seem to engage in a moral evaluation of the people nearest them."

More evidence of adjutant mind spirit influence?

Reminds me of the book about a dog, Strongheart, ( I think it was called "a Kinship with all Life" that Welles introduced me to shortly after he arrived here.) That dog seemed to know the thoughts of those he passed by..not just those he knew and loved either. In a strange way it has changed my life I do feel a kinship with all life now after two years or so and nature responds in ways that touch my animal loving little heart.

I've wondered the same thing..."adjutant mind spirit"
xxSandy

On another blog, a person doubted that angels have ability to work for us on the level of our daily tribulations. And this perspective might be intimated by the UB, but one sentence in particular cautions that angels are not so remote from our material life:

"Many of the more literal phenomena ascribed to angels have been performed by the secondary midway creatures. When the early teachers of the gospel of Jesus were thrown into prison by the ignorant religious leaders of that day, an actual "angel of the Lord" "by night opened the prison doors and brought them forth." (77:8.12)

A better perspective (than believing that arbitrary separation of ministry to mortals exists) is that our universe - unlike Urantia's mortals - is characterized by superb cooperation amongst higher beings, with service to mortals being delegated at many levels and delegated to those unseen beings who are best able to provide such ministry.

Rod

angels have ability to work for us on the level of our daily tribulations

Another person commented and offered supporting quotes:

"But they do work on the level of our daily tribulations ... they are charged to make sure we are sufficiently challenged so that we learn to make good/moral decisions. Our tribulations are our challenges for soul growth."

"Seraphim are mind stimulators; they continually seek to promote circle-making decisions in human mind. They do this, not as does the Adjuster, operating from within and through the soul, but rather from the outside inward, working through the social, ethical, and moral environment of human beings." (113:4.1)

"Seraphim function as teachers of men by guiding the footsteps of the human personality into paths of new and progressive experiences. To accept the guidance of a seraphim rarely means attaining a life of ease. In following this leading you are sure to encounter, and if you have the courage, to traverse, the rugged hills of moral choosing and spiritual progress." (113:4.3)

See also:
http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P113_4 - Seraphic Domains of Action
http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P113_5 - Seraphic Ministry to Mortals

Rod

From another blog ...
"Re: http://worldtruth.tv/newly-found-docume ... g-miracle/
"If genuine, it is an amazing confirmation of Jesus' healing ministry."

Re: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/miraclewitness.asp
After reading the Snopes' feedback on this article, I was entertained by the controversy:

What's enlightening is that the actual event (if it did occur) is neither proven nor disproven by this Snopes' commentary.
Besides, Snopes' criticism is focused on the article/source - not on the supposed event.

And knowing from the UB how Jesus seemed to perform miracles when they were not, leaves opportunity for believers in such historical fiction (or suspect anecdotes). "Who can tell?" whether or not Jesus held a stillborn during his many years of teaching and travel? Our Revelation inspires us to believe that he would have ... especially if knew that the "stillborn" was just asleep.

See also: http://www.theub.org/part-iv.html#JMiracles

Rod

Well that was interesting... Thanks Rod.
I like what you said here...

And knowing from the UB how Jesus seemed to perform miracles when they were not, leaves opportunity for believers in such historical fiction (or suspect anecdotes). "Who can tell?" whether or not Jesus held a stillborn during his many years of teaching and travel? Our Revelation inspires us to believe that he would have ... especially if knew that the "stillborn" was just asleep.

That's my take too. While it is exciting to think that a famous historian might have witnessed and wrote of something Jesus did... it really doesn't change much when you get down to it. People will believe what they want and it isn't the past Jesus or even his exploits that change hearts...it is the ever present Jesus/Michael that moves within us with only a fraction of encouragement on our part. ... If only we can emulate his unconditional love...all "miracles" aside... then the world changes...and that to me is what a true blue miracle is all about.
xxSandy

(posted this evening on another Urantia blog)

Re: http://urantianow.com/where-are-the-youth/
by Teuvo Orjala, Sep 27, 2015

"When our message and purpose is simple and tangible we will be shocked by how many people find us and join our cause.

“No cult can survive unless it embodies some masterful mystery and conceals some worthful unattainable” (87:7.9)

"Do we have this in our movement? If you think we do please leave it in the comments. I don’t personally see one. Not one that unites us and makes us jump out of bed every morning!"


Enlightenment quickly followed brief meditation on Teuvo's lament (about not having a cause to inspire our jumping out of bed every morning): That which causes such morning arousal must first be personal, for like minds that awaken with similar energy need only gather together to discover a group mission (or several). And this thought stream awakened intriguing symbolism:

Our fifth epochal revelation opens the door to let out the old paradigms of how youth (and adults) should behave once inspired by revelatory text. While the old paradigms (study groups, door-to-door dissemination, text-focused conferences, etc.) provide familiar patterns of activity, these are not sacred patterns ... albeit face-to-face human interaction always has potential for promoting mutual, spiritual growth.

Obviously, we must frequently go ... Jogging with Jumpers (J w/ J)

Each morning often provides another opportunity to jump out of bed and go jogging for discovery of and interaction with other jumpers. There's no need for literature - "J w/ J" might be just the logo for clothing (and shoes) that advertises the ongoing, general mission.

This mission title proposal should not be so strictly defined since it can draw upon several (at least) 'J' words worthy of inclusion. Even the 'w/' in the logo might symbolize a baby carriage with the parents (hmmm ... 'w' connects easily with 'twins").

The commercial potential (organization value and long-term inspiration) seems so great that this should be adopted/developed/promoted by a UB-based corporation. Not to worry! Long time readers will know how to guide such commercialism in the name of our fifth epochal revelation.

An alarm clock with the "J w/ J" theme has good potential for project funding! Incorporate music and colored lights to entice marketing's first wave of jumper joggers. Mine will need an automated coffee maker.

Hmmm... this concept of jogging with morning jumpers easily aligns with "let them run their own race" - even in groups.

Rod

On another Urantia blog, David K. wrote:
"There's something special, something tangible about being in the presence of another personality."
This reminded me of two seemingly related incidents in my life. Today, I surmise that one's soul is that tangible "something":

When I was a teenager, my grandfather (who shared a bedroom with me in that small house) died after being bedridden during his final month's battle with lung cancer. I was unusually comfortable in that room when sleeping at night and could awaken easily to apply his oxygen mask when he complained. In the hour after he died (during the day; his body was still in bed), I sensed a sterility to the room - something tangible had left.

Years later, I was holding the hand of an elderly neighbor when she took her last breath. She was in a nursing home and had just been pronounced "terminal" by her doctor, who left the room saying "There's nothing that can be done!". In the minutes just after this, I sensed the same sterility as her body still lay in the bed - something tangible had left.

Post Revelation, we now know what happens to one's soul upon mortal death. That it happens immediately upon death is intriguing, but not "revelatory" ... according to our fifth epochal revelation (almost a century old, considering the final manuscript).

Rod

BTW: I did not sense this room sterility when my wife died two decades later (she was confined to a hospital bed in our living room). I surmise that, because her mother was present (another soul), the room did not have that "sterility". Conversely, these experiences seem to confirm that humans have ability to know another personality at their soul level, especially "when two or more are gathered ...".

Rod

More reflection on our final moments ...

My grandfather was not very coherent in his final days, but often referred to some invisible person at the end of his bed (celestial presence? or former human associate, anticipating their reuniting on the mansion worlds?).

The elderly lady seemed to maintain reasonable consciousness as she gasped for breath in her final hour. I would doubt that neither her adjuster nor soul had departed until the final minutes (and believe they left after she stopped breathing).

Now, Lazarus' resurrection (168:1,2) seems to have been mansion world quality (a true reuniting of adjuster and soul) since his soul was probably in the care of a seraphim still on Urantia as his body began to decay ... and the UB informs us that his adjuster was still on the planet. And this better explains why so many celestials were required to resurrect him: "likeness" suggests a new body (albeit still human) - true resurrection.

Rod

"What/when is life?"

Yesterday, a public TV channel discussion about abortion caused me to pause and reflect on "What/when is life?" (as would be defined by the Urantia revelation). First thoughts:

A man's sperm and woman's egg are "potentials" until united, then immediately become an "actual" with much growth potential. Thus, a human being (a living energy system) begins life at conception. Birth is simply a removal of physical dependency, albeit a human is still required* to keep nurturing that life until it can sustain itself - an aging process more than an event.

While this perspective (life begins at conception) does not provide all of the enlightenment needed to decide about abortion, it does inform that life itself (an actual - not potentials) is the thing that is vulnerable to termination. Those who would participate in such termination of life become accountable on high for such participation (IMO) ... which is not to argue that such participation is always incorrect.

"Such a life on such a planet" ... but we're generously supplied with intelligence and spiritual guidance to live such a life.

* Robots may soon be able to provide the necessary nurturing when a human cannot. Even continuation of the newborn actual (united sperm and egg) in an artificial womb might become an option within several decades. And this would increase the social pressure to preserve life whenever possible.

Further reflection today:

The human soul, a potential of brain/mind that is not actualized until the Adjuster arrives (about age 5) to indwell the human mind (re: 86:5.2), is the real survivor of the mortal life. Thus, the perspective of "life at conception" is overshadowed by the greater perspective of soul birth (upon arrival of the Adjuster). Yet, termination of human life at any time before the arrival of the Adjuster is still problematic since the Adjuster has long been in training to indwell that particular human mind.

However, a human being also has personality, a unique gift from the Father. Interestingly, a woman who has given birth multiple times might have noticed "personality" differences of those children (while they were still in the womb); in other words, differences that the mother would identify as "personality".

Considering that personality is something expressed verbally and physically, the brain/body would have to have been "wired" to begin expressing personality at the moment of birth, but is probably being wired much earlier when brain cells begin to proliferate and connect. And this suggests that personality is available for such integration soon after conception but with "soon" relating to beginning brain/mind functionality.

Also, being held accountable for termination of life is relative to one's enlightenment. The more enlightened we are, the more accountable we become (according to this perspective). Therefor, if a fetus has personality at the time of its abortion, that life termination (with "life" defined as a living energy system) is not an insignificant event ... at least, from the celestial perspective.

Rod

It's enlightening to think of personality as pattern, for then its arrival seems probable with the universe registration of a "living energy system". Obviously, "personality" is a topic worthy of much research and discussion - a To Do List item. The following paragraph (5:6.2) provides an easy segue for me back to real world priorities and obligations:

"Personality is one of the unsolved mysteries of the universes. We are able to form adequate concepts of the factors entering into the make-up of various orders and levels of personality, but we do not fully comprehend the real nature of the personality itself. We clearly perceive the numerous factors which, when put together, constitute the vehicle for human personality, but we do not fully comprehend the nature and significance of such a finite personality."

This (and considering personality as pattern) suggests that personality - its unique totality - is bestowed immediately upon a "living energy system" once it exists, but that bestowal is essentially a potential, requiring "activation" by the receiver. Thus, an unborn child might have some minimal essence of this personality (especially when the child is developed enough to be born as "premature"), but the significant manifestation of that personality occurs later after birth, especially after arrival of the child's thought adjuster (usually just before age six).

By the way, someone commented today on the other Urantia blog that (my paraphrase) "personality record keepers create the record of each mortal of time from the moment of birth" (re: 37:3.7). If this moment is defined as the physical separation from the mother (cutting the umbilical cord), then premature babies would qualify for personality. Maybe personality is like a debit card, you have to use it to activate it and you receive it when you're ready to use it.

Rod (contemplating a mystery even to celestials)

More reflection on "personality" ...

"Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems" (0:5.4)

"2. It may be bestowed upon any living energy system which includes mind or spirit." (112:0.4)

"Thought Adjusters, when they come forth from the Father, are identical in nature, but personality is diverse, original, and exclusive; and the manifestation of personality is further conditioned and qualified by the nature and qualities of the associated energies of a material, mindal, and spiritual nature which constitute the organismal vehicle for personality manifestation." (16:8.3)

"But the presence phenomenon of a personality or the pattern of an identity, as such, is not a manifestation of energy, either physical, mindal, or spiritual. The personality form is the pattern aspect of a living being; it connotes the arrangement of energies, and this, plus life and motion, is the mechanism of creature existence." (42:12.9)


That personality "may be bestowed upon any living energy system which includes mind or spirit" seems to be a clue for when human personality is bestowed* ... and hints that functioning brain/mind is a prerequisite for personality. Maybe the 23-week old infant (earliest premature babies that survive) could have the beginning level of such functioning brain/mind.

* considered as "pattern", personality might be available to a "living energy system" (with functioning mind or spirit) as soon as it exists.

Rod

After more reflection ...

"Bestow" seems incorrect or misleading if personality (identity) is a requirement of living energy systems capable of cruising around the Father's grand universe and interacting with things and beings therein. We would not say that the state bestowed us a driver's license or that the national government bestowed us a passport ... albeit qualifying for this identification may seem exasperating at times.

Nevertheless, personality (especially as identity) seems necessarily bestowed as soon as the energy system is "up and running".

Got personality? You'll be popular.
Got identity? You'll be legal.

Rod

Gardens of Spiritual Progress

"Inspired by the life and ministry
of the Son of Man and his revelation
of the Fatherhood of God
and Brotherhood of All,
we are guided by a new revelation
of loving ministry and social service
and unite to reveal the living truth
of a spiritual universe,
for we are the caretakers
of the gardens of spiritual progress."


This writing might be described as a "meditative lyric poem"* with the words of the title
selected to spell GOSPEL (when "ELegy" is added as the final word). After writing a few words,
the poem flowed so easily that I assumed that I was recording the words of a Celestial Artisan.

* Re: http://www.britannica.com/art/elegy

"a meditative lyric poem lamenting the death of a public personage or of a friend or loved one;
by extension, any reflective lyric on the broader theme of human mortality."

Rod

More reflection on "personality" ...


Re: "11. Personality responds directly to other-personality presence." (112:0)

Recent research documenting that in-utero babies sometimes hold hands, hug, and interact in meaningful ways might indicate personality presence (in these cases, both babies probably had functioning brain/mind and possibly bestowed personality).


Re: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abies.html

More research to consider this year, especially regarding when a baby receives personality. For example, does the reception of personality after birth make a difference to parents who have to make such decisions before the child's birth?

And if functioning brain/mind is a requirement for personality, this focus may help in the decision process (functioning brain is one thing, but functioning mind may not be detectable for decades ... or centuries). There is a slight chance (IMO) that midwayer (et al.) contact by others might provide the necessary guidance ... or maybe this is "light and life era" expectation.

Rod