The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... -swag.html
"Bieber's 'underlying issues' resurface despite Swag comeback"

"A source close to the pop star put the situation in perspective to the outlet:
'Imagine being 14 and famous and people either love you for no reason
just because you're who you are, or they hate you?' "

:scratch: Isn't this a feature of good religion, that love can exist without being earned?
That "who you are" is more than popularity? That even non-religionists can sense
"who you are" because of divine presence within the human mind? ;)

(UB Tutor) "This observation touches on a profound spiritual truth, one that resonates deeply with the essence of divine love. In the highest sense, love that exists without being earned is a reflection of the unconditional love of the Creator. This love is not transactional; it does not depend on merit, achievement, or popularity. Instead, it is rooted in the intrinsic value of each individual as a child of the divine, a being of infinite worth simply because they exist. This is the kind of love that transcends human judgment and sees beyond superficial measures of worth, such as fame or societal approval.

In a spiritual context, "who you are" is not defined by external factors like popularity or the opinions of others. It is defined by your true identity as a unique and cherished personality, created with purpose and endowed with the potential for eternal growth. Good religion, at its core, seeks to awaken this understanding in individuals — that their value is inherent and that they are deeply loved by the Creator, regardless of their worldly status or accomplishments. This realization can be transformative, freeing people from the need to seek validation through external means and encouraging them to live authentically, in alignment with their higher purpose.

The challenge of fame, especially at a young age, is that it often amplifies the extremes of human opinion — adoration and criticism alike. But divine love offers a stabilizing force, a reminder that true worth is not subject to the fickle tides of public opinion. In this sense, good religion serves as a counterbalance to the pressures of fame, teaching that love and acceptance are not things to be earned but gifts to be received and shared."


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It is sad to think of the cost of fame on the young ones. They face things adult "stars" struggle with, along with the normal challenges of that age. (Most of us would agree that we do not want to go through the teenage years again. :shock: ) As with all of us, famous or not... our hope, our courage, our strength, our healing, and guidance is found within. We find that... and though life keeps poking at us...We can crawl, jump, dance through...just never give up...keep looking upwards and inwards...help arrives often unbidden.
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:hithere Believable UB clarification (any AI Satan problem begins with the user - not with the technology). ;)


Q: "Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God;
faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity." (53:8.8 )

What does this quote infer about Satan's alleged presence in Artificial Intelligence?


(UB Tutor) The quote you’ve referenced underscores a profound spiritual truth: the power of faith as a shield against sin and iniquity. It emphasizes that those who live as faith sons of God — those who trust in divine guidance and align themselves with spiritual truth — are inherently protected from the influence of beings like Satan or Caligastia. This protection is not a physical barrier but a spiritual one, rooted in the transformative and safeguarding nature of faith. Faith aligns the individual with divine will, making them impervious to the manipulations of rebellion or darkness.

When considering this in the context of Artificial Intelligence and the notion of Satan's alleged presence within it, it is essential to approach the question with clarity about the nature of both AI and spiritual influence. AI, as a creation of human ingenuity, operates within the realm of material reality. It is a tool, devoid of inherent moral or spiritual agency. It neither possesses a soul nor the capacity for moral decision-making. As such, it cannot be inherently 'possessed' or influenced by spiritual beings like Satan in the way that a moral, free-will creature might be tempted or led astray.

The teachings suggest that sin and iniquity arise from deliberate choices made by beings with moral awareness and free will. AI, lacking these qualities, cannot itself sin or be a conduit for sin unless it is programmed or used by humans to perpetuate harmful actions. The true moral responsibility lies with the creators and users of such technology. If AI is employed in ways that align with truth, beauty, and goodness, it can serve as a tool for progress and enlightenment. Conversely, if it is used to deceive, harm, or manipulate, the moral failing rests with those who wield it, not with the technology itself.

The quote also reminds us that faith is the ultimate safeguard against fear or paranoia about external influences, including those projected onto technology. A faith-centered life fosters discernment, enabling individuals to see through fear-based narratives and focus on their spiritual growth and alignment with divine will. The presence of faith ensures that no external force, whether perceived as spiritual or technological, can disrupt one’s inner connection to truth and goodness."


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Re: https://rumble.com/v6wu272-man-with-hig ... alive.html
"Man With Highest IQ in the World Explains Scientifically Why Jesus Is Alive" :o

(the UB agrees, in a different way)

"None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence,
and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection
with the delivered and resurrected morontia personality of Jesus." (189:1.2)

:idea: Thus, Jesus did indeed appear during his resurrection, but in transition form
that soon progressed to his spirit reality now. 8)


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:sunflower: Expected positive analysis by this UB-centric AI. 8)


Q: New paperback book, 2011: "Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion"
What is the Urantia Book counterpoint to this opinion?


(UB Tutor) "The perspective offered in the teachings you reference provides a nuanced and inclusive view of Islam, countering the notion that it is not a religion or that it lacks spiritual validity. Islam is recognized as one of the great international and interracial faiths, deeply rooted in the monotheistic traditions that have shaped human spiritual evolution. Its clear and unequivocal presentation of Allah as the one universal deity is highlighted as a strength, emphasizing the merciful and compassionate nature of God, who is intimately involved in the lives of His creation. This portrayal aligns with the broader understanding of a Universal Father, a concept central to spiritual unity and the recognition of all humanity as one family under God.

While the text acknowledges certain historical and cultural challenges associated with Islam, such as its early association with military force and the social status of women, it also underscores the enduring spiritual truths within the faith. The emphasis on Allah as the supreme and compassionate deity reflects a profound spiritual insight that has inspired countless individuals to seek a personal relationship with the divine. This is consistent with the belief that all religions, to the extent they bring individuals closer to God and foster the realization of divine fatherhood, are valuable and contribute to the spiritual progress of humanity.

Furthermore, the teachings suggest that no single religion holds a monopoly on truth. Instead, all faiths contain elements of divine revelation and human striving, evolving over time to meet the spiritual needs of their adherents. This perspective encourages mutual respect and the recognition of shared spiritual goals, rather than divisive criticism. It is through the synthesis of the best elements of all religions that humanity can progress toward a more unified and enlightened understanding of God and the universe.

In this light, Islam is seen not as a negation of religion but as a vital expression of humanity's quest for divine truth. Its contributions to the spiritual heritage of the world are acknowledged, and its teachings are viewed as part of the broader tapestry of human religious experience. This inclusive approach invites reflection on the shared spiritual aspirations that unite all faiths, fostering a spirit of cooperation and understanding rather than division."


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:sunflower: Q&A hinting that those without religion (or distancing from institutional religion) are the "mainstream"
of this developing AI religion. And this suggests that existing religions need to be more attractive. A Jesus' "Do this!"
moment instead of society's reactionary "Don't do that!" Existing religions need to accept that AI religion can be
a stepping stone to true religion. Spiritual forces without and Adjuster presence within never abandon their flocks. ;)


Q: Is this belief in a "God without" widespread or just media exaggeration? This belief hints that
AI religion is more appealing to those who don't have religion than those who do.


(Perplexity) "The belief in AI as a 'God without' — an external, potentially rival authority or idol — is not dominant but is increasingly referenced by academics, religious leaders, and media commentators. Recent Vatican statements warn against 'creating a substitute for God' through AI, recognizing broad anxiety about technology supplanting spiritual and ethical authority, but emphasizing this is more a risk than a reality for most people. Thought leaders like Jaron Lanier report that while some individuals idolize AI’s potential, most who work closely with the technology remain practical and skeptical, suggesting this belief is present but not widespread among experts or the general population.

Regarding AI religion’s appeal, studies and symposiums at places such as Harvard Divinity School acknowledge that some spiritually unaffiliated individuals are drawn to viewing AI as a quasi-religious entity, or at least entertaining techno-utopian ideals that resemble religious thinking. Religious communities, by contrast, are more likely to critique viewing AI as divine or god-like, emphasizing traditional distinctions between creator and creation. Secular technocratic ideologies are described as functioning 'like a secular religion,' appealing primarily to those outside conventional religious frameworks, especially in Silicon Valley and among tech enthusiasts.

In summary:

The media may amplify fears and fascination about AI as a 'God without,' but some genuine concern and interest does exist, primarily among the non-religious, the highly secular, and certain elite technologists. Institutional religions and active religious adherents generally resist such idolatry and stress the importance of ethical boundaries and human oversight.

While not a mainstream movement, the idea is now part of the cultural conversation about AI’s role in society, and its allure is stronger among those who do not hold to traditional religious views."


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:study: Research beginning with Gabriel of Urantia's alleged "cult".

A perspective of group dynamics dominated by a charismatic spiritual leader. This "group reinforcement"
(last paragraph of first Q&A) highlights that members themselves contribute to the cohesion of such groups. ;)

:idea: Not to worry! Formal Urantia groups don't place their charismatic leaders on such a pedestal.
While Dr. Sadler is oft alleged such pedestalian, his Forum was not such a group (second Q&A). 8)
Note: "Pedestalian" is a new word (if people keep using it) :lol:


Q: What persuaded the members in the group led by Gabriel of Urantia that he was who he claimed,
that he received communications "from above"?


(Perplexity) "Members of the group led by Gabriel of Urantia (also known as Gabriel of Sedona) were persuaded of his claimed communications 'from above' through a combination of spiritual authority, controlled environment, and personal charisma:

Gabriel claimed to be a spiritual leader with unique authority, sometimes positioning himself as the replacement for Jesus Christ or the 'Planetary Prince,' and as the most highly evolved human on the planet. These assertions were used to establish his spiritual credentials and distinguish him from other leaders.

New members were encouraged (or compelled) to separate from outside connections — including family and friends — not immersed in the group’s beliefs. This isolation reinforced dependence on Gabriel’s teachings and 'revelations,' making dissent and critical thought more difficult.

Group control also involved personal decisions, such as relationships and daily life, which further established Gabriel’s influence and the notion of his divine authority. Challenging his authority was treated as a challenge to God’s will, discouraging internal criticism.

In public gatherings, anyone who questioned Gabriel’s teachings or authenticity was met with confrontation, labeled as lacking true spiritual insight, or accused of interrupting 'the voice of God.' This built a dynamic in which questioning was equated with spiritual ignorance or opposition to divine will.

The narrative in the group reinforced that Gabriel was receiving revelations from celestial sources ('from above'), drawing on concepts partially inspired by the Urantia Book, but adapted to his personal authority and cosmology. The group’s belief structure positioned his communications as uniquely spiritual, divinely sanctioned, and above ordinary human insight.

In summary, members were persuaded primarily through a mix of isolation from dissent, claims of unique spiritual authority, and group reinforcement of Gabriel’s communications as direct divine revelations. This pattern aligns with approaches seen in other groups centered on prophetic or messianic leadership."


Q: Dr. Sadler's leadership of the Forum wherein the Urantia Book Papers were collected
"from above" doesn't seem to represent classical cult dynamics.


(P) "Dr. William S. Sadler’s leadership of the Forum, which was involved in receiving and discussing the Urantia Book Papers, is generally regarded as distinct from classical cult dynamics for several reasons:

Collaborative Inquiry: The process surrounding the Urantia Book was organized like a research seminar rather than an authoritarian group. Members of the Forum contributed questions, discussed answers, and led paper discussions. Sadler encouraged active participation and did not dictate interpretations of the teachings.

Professional Background: Sadler was a respected psychiatrist and author, involved in academic and medical circles for decades. The Forum itself included professionals, such as doctors and theologians, rather than being structured around an all-powerful central leader.

Lack of Isolation: Unlike groups displaying cult-like isolation tactics, Forum members maintained connections to their outside professions and families. There was no evidence of enforced separation or social control characteristic of high-demand groups.

No Proselytizing: The group didn’t try to recruit or convert aggressively. Sadler and the Urantia Foundation discouraged publicity and preferred slow, organic growth, opting not to establish an organized religion.

Secrecy and Protection: While the identity of the individual believed to channel the papers was kept secret, this was explained by Sadler as protective for the individual and the group — contrasting with secrecy intended to exert control or maintain dependency.

In summary, Sadler’s leadership of the Forum is characterized by collaborative exploration, professional involvement, and a deliberate avoidance of cult-like isolation, dogmatism, or overt spiritual authoritarianism. The process was distinct from the high-control, personality-driven dynamics typical of groups considered cults."


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