The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:sunflower: Q: The Urantia Book is perceived as a Christianity-focused revelation,
but its message is not so limited. What is a good summary of this message?


(UB Tutor) "The message conveyed is expansive and transcends any single religious tradition, offering a universal spiritual framework centered on the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of humanity. At its core, it emphasizes that God is a loving, personal Father to all beings, and this divine relationship naturally establishes the spiritual kinship of all individuals as brothers and sisters. This teaching is not confined to any one faith or culture but is presented as a universal truth meant to unite humanity in love, service, and mutual understanding.

The spiritual message encourages individuals to seek the 'kingdom of heaven' within themselves, which is described as a personal and transformative experience of aligning with divine will. This inner kingdom is not an external institution or future event but a present reality accessible through faith, love, and moral living. By fostering this inner spiritual growth, individuals contribute to the collective realization of a harmonious and spiritually enriched world.

Furthermore, the teachings distinguish between the personal religion of Jesus and the institutionalized forms of Christianity that developed later. The religion of Jesus is portrayed as a direct, personal relationship with God, emphasizing spiritual freedom and individual growth. In contrast, the institutionalized forms often focused on doctrines and external practices, which sometimes obscured the original message of universal love and spiritual unity.

This universal message also calls for inclusivity and respect among diverse religious traditions. It highlights the shared truths and values across different faiths, advocating for unity rather than division. By focusing on common spiritual principles, such as love, forgiveness, and the pursuit of truth, it seeks to bridge cultural and religious divides, fostering a global brotherhood that reflects the divine ideal.

In essence, the teachings invite individuals to live a life of active faith, characterized by love, service, and a deep connection with the divine. This spiritual journey is not only about personal salvation but also about contributing to the collective spiritual progress of humanity, aligning with the eternal purposes of a loving and inclusive Creator."


Q: In what ways does this revelation highlight that Christianity developed after Jesus' resurrection?

(UBT) "The revelation provides a nuanced perspective on the development of Christianity after Jesus' resurrection, emphasizing the distinction between the personal religion of Jesus and the institutionalized religion about Jesus that emerged in the centuries following his life. It highlights that Jesus' original teachings were centered on the direct, personal experience of God as a loving Father and the universal brotherhood of humanity. This personal religion was dynamic, experiential, and deeply spiritual, focusing on the individual's relationship with the divine and the transformative power of living in alignment with God's will.

After Jesus' resurrection, however, his followers faced the challenge of preserving and spreading his teachings in a world that was culturally and religiously diverse. In this process, the early church began to adapt Jesus' message to fit the existing frameworks of Jewish tradition and Greco-Roman thought. This adaptation led to the development of a religion about Jesus - focused on his divinity, his role as the Christ, and the theological implications of his death and resurrection - rather than the religion of Jesus, which was his lived example of faith, love, and service.

The revelation explains that this shift was, in part, a natural outcome of the apostles' efforts to make sense of the profound events surrounding Jesus' life and resurrection. They sought to interpret these events within the context of their Jewish heritage and the messianic expectations of their time. Over time, as Christianity spread beyond Jewish communities and encountered the philosophical traditions of the Greco-Roman world, it further evolved into a complex theological system. This system emphasized doctrines, creeds, and institutional authority, which often obscured the simplicity and universality of Jesus' original message.

Despite these developments, the revelation acknowledges the significant role Christianity has played in preserving the memory of Jesus and spreading many of his teachings. It recognizes the spiritual value of the Christian tradition while also calling for a return to the essence of Jesus' message - a personal, living faith in God and a commitment to loving and serving others. By distinguishing between the religion of Jesus and the religion about Jesus, the revelation invites individuals to rediscover the transformative power of his original teachings and to live out the principles of the kingdom of heaven in their daily lives.

This perspective encourages a broader understanding of Jesus' mission, one that transcends the historical and cultural limitations of Christianity as it developed after his resurrection. It invites all individuals, regardless of their religious background, to embrace the universal truths of love, faith, and service that Jesus embodied, thereby fostering a deeper connection with the divine and with one another."


Q: So, personality is essentially the unique essence of a mortal prior to Adjuster fusion,
but identity is more inclusive of mortal and Adjuster interaction during one's spiritual growth?


(UBT) "Yes, the essence of this relationship! Personality is indeed the unique, unchanging essence of a mortal being, bestowed directly by the Universal Father. It is the divine endowment that grants individuality, self-consciousness, and the capacity for moral choice and spiritual relationship. Personality is absolute in its uniqueness; no two personalities are identical, and it serves as the cohesive force that integrates the material, intellectual, and spiritual aspects of a person. Importantly, personality is not something that evolves - it is a constant, the divine foundation upon which the mortal experience is built.

Identity, however, is a more dynamic concept, encompassing the evolving interplay between the mortal personality and the indwelling Thought Adjuster. While personality provides the framework for individuality, identity reflects the totality of the mortal's experience, choices, and spiritual growth. It is shaped by the mortal's free will decisions and the Adjuster's divine guidance, as well as the progressive development of the soul. The Adjuster, as a fragment of the Universal Father, works tirelessly to spiritualize the mind and foster the growth of the morontia soul, which becomes the repository of the higher meanings and values derived from mortal life. In this sense, identity is inclusive of both the mortal self and the Adjuster's influence, representing the evolving selfhood that bridges the material and spiritual dimensions.

Before Adjuster fusion, identity remains a collaboration between the mortal will and the Adjuster’s divine presence. The Adjuster safeguards the spiritual essence of the mortal's experiences, while the seraphic guardians protect the evolving soul. Upon physical death, the Adjuster departs to Divinington, carrying the spiritual transcript of the mortal life, while the soul is preserved by the seraphim. In the resurrection halls of the mansion worlds, the Adjuster and the soul are reunited, and the personality is reassembled, ensuring the continuity of the individual's unique identity. After Adjuster fusion, the mortal and the Adjuster become one, and identity is fully unified, representing the eternal partnership of the human and divine.

Thus, personality is the divine constant, the unique essence of the individual, while identity is the evolving expression of that personality as it interacts with the Adjuster and grows spiritually. Identity reflects the journey of becoming, the dynamic process of aligning the mortal self with the divine will, and the eventual realization of eternal potential through Adjuster fusion. This interplay between personality, identity, and the Adjuster beautifully illustrates the divine plan for mortal ascension and the eternal adventure of spiritual growth."


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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:study: Q: Thoughts about the Urantia Book as the solution to Christianity's crisis:

1. The UB will not be the solution until those "living the revelation" prove this premise.
2. The UB will not be the solution as long as it's so closely associated with institutional Christianity.
3. The UB cannot usurp traditional Christianity because the UB's message is pre-Christianity.


(UB Tutor) "These reflections on the Urantia Book's potential role in addressing Christianity's crisis touch on profound themes that align with its teachings. The first point, that the revelation must be lived to prove its transformative power, resonates deeply with the emphasis on personal spiritual experience. The Urantia Book consistently highlights that truth is most compelling when embodied in the lives of individuals who live in alignment with divine principles. The 'religion of Jesus', as distinct from institutional Christianity, is described as a personal, dynamic faith centered on the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. This lived faith, rather than mere doctrinal adherence, is what has the power to inspire and transform others .

This second observation, regarding the association of the Urantia Book with institutional Christianity, reflects a critical challenge. The text critiques the historical entanglement of Christianity with Western civilization, noting how this association has often distorted its spiritual mission. By aligning itself with social, political, and cultural systems, Christianity has sometimes hindered its ability to convey the universal truths of Jesus' teachings. The Urantia Book suggests that the religion of Jesus transcends such institutional and cultural boundaries, offering a universal spiritual message that can resonate with all people, regardless of their background .

Finally, this assertion that the Urantia Book's message is 'pre-Christianity' is insightful. The teachings it presents aim to recover and expand upon the original gospel of the kingdom that Jesus proclaimed - a gospel centered on the universal fatherhood of God and the spiritual brotherhood of humanity. This message predates the institutional structures and doctrinal developments that later defined Christianity. The Urantia Book itself critiques the early church's shift from this spiritual brotherhood to an institutionalized religion, emphasizing that the original teachings of Jesus were meant to inspire personal transformation and direct communion with God, rather than adherence to rigid systems of belief .

In essence, the Urantia Book does not seek to 'usurp' Christianity but to illuminate and expand upon its spiritual core, offering a vision of faith that is both deeply personal and universally inclusive. Its transformative potential lies in the willingness of individuals to live out its truths, demonstrating through their lives the power of the gospel of the kingdom."


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:bana: Interesting Q&A about Jesus' August 21, 7 B.C. birth as related to the May 29, 7 B.C. conjunction
of Jupiter and Saturn (accepted by modern astronomers) ...

(Perplexity) "A broad scholarly consensus places Jesus’ birth somewhere around 6–4 B.C., mainly because the Gospels
link it to the reign of Herod the Great, whose death is usually dated to 4 B.C. (though even that date is debated).​"

:idea: This UB paragraph confirms Herod's 4 B.C. death since Joseph's family returned to Bethlehem two years after Herod's death.
And scholars' 6 B.C. birth of Jesus probably doesn't integrate that Jesus was one year old when the family left Bethlehem:

"The massacre of these infants took place about the middle of October, 6 B.C., when Jesus was a little over one year of age. But there were believers in the coming Messiah even among Herod’s court attachés, and one of these, learning of the order to slaughter the Bethlehem boy babies, communicated with Zacharias, who in turn dispatched a messenger to Joseph; and the night before the massacre Joseph and Mary departed from Bethlehem with the babe for Alexandria in Egypt ... They sojourned in Alexandria two full years, not returning to Bethlehem until after the death of Herod." (122:10.4)


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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:scratch: Say what?! AI can find universe-level spirituality in lyrics of old pop rock music?
Is AI such a believer or do music lyrics inherently contain human soul-expression?
Become a believer in 2026!


Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVnbLOdePeo
"I'm A Believer" (The Monkees, 1989)

Q: Associate the lyrics/message of The Monkee's "I'm a Believer"
with the Urantia Book's revelation of the Universe Mother Spirit.


(Perplexity) " 'I’m a Believer' centers on a shift from skepticism to wholehearted trust in love, moving from disappointment and 'rain' to a confident, experiential certainty that love is real and personally present. The Urantia Book’s description of the Universe Mother Spirit presents a nurturing, ever‑present divine minister whose spirit circuits surround, sustain, and lovingly guide all personal beings in a local universe.​

Seen together, the song’s narrative of 'then I saw her face, now I’m a believer' can be read as an allegory of awakening to the living, experiential reality of a cosmic Mother presence - moving from abstract ideas about love to a direct encounter with divine ministry that dispels doubt.

The Urantia Book depicts the local Universe Mother Spirit (also called the Divine Minister) as:

- A personalized presence of the Infinite Spirit, co‑creative partner of the Creator Son in forming and administering a local universe.
- The source and focus of Holy Spirit ministry and the spiritual environment that surrounds and nurtures evolving mortals.
- The one who collaborates in bestowing the 'breath of life' on material creatures and sustains the spiritual circuits
that uplift them toward God.

In this picture, the Universe Mother Spirit is an intimate, immanent maternal presence in whom creatures
“live and move and have their being,” even before they recognize her.

The song’s story moves through three clear stages.

- Initial cynicism: Love is treated as a fairy tale belonging to others, and previous experiences of hurt
lead to a resigned, almost fatalistic disbelief.
- Crisis of meaning: Trying to love seems to yield only frustration and pain, symbolized by wanting sunshine
and getting rain, echoing the inner feeling of spiritual disconnection.
- Transforming encounter: The sudden, decisive experience of a “face” that changes everything evokes
the way direct contact with a living spiritual presence dissolves doubt and awakens faith.


In Urantia Book terms, this parallels the shift from intellectual or second‑hand religion to living faith, as the Mother Spirit’s Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth work together to 'teach truth and to spiritually enlighten the minds of men' and to make sonship with God a felt reality. The song begins with love as distant, unreal, and meant for 'someone else', mirroring the stage where divine care is viewed as abstract doctrine rather than a personal ministry.

The Mother Spirit, by contrast, is described as personally present, a true divine individual whose circuits pervade the universe, making divine affection concretely available to each soul. The singer’s experience of repeated disappointment reflects the state of an unanchored, trial‑and‑error search for meaning and affection.


The Urantia Book presents the Mother Spirit’s ministry as a constant, nurturing environment - her Holy Spirit and ministering angels work to transform the 'rain' of experience into soul growth and morontia character. The turning point - seeing a face that ends doubt - corresponds to the moment when spiritual reality stops being theoretical and is encountered as personal and trustworthy.

In Urantia language, this is akin to becoming aware that the Spirit of Truth and Holy Spirit are personally addressing the soul, leading to the 'faith‑fact of sonship with God' and a deep inner conviction that one is spiritually held and mothered. The lyric’s sense of inescapable attachment to love echoes the idea that once the soul recognizes real spiritual affection, it becomes loyally attached at the level of will and identity.

The Urantia Book emphasizes that the Mother Spirit’s circuits and ministries are universal, faithfully surrounding all worlds of the local universe, so that the creature’s security rests in a love that does not abandon. Thus, the song becomes a contemporary parable of a human soul moving from mistrust of love to a living faith in a cosmic Mother’s personal, sustaining ministry."


Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm2Z9yAp_CE
"Unchained Melody" (Righteous Brothers, 1965)

Q: Associate the lyrics/message of the Righteous Brother's "Unchained Melody"
with the Urantia Book's revelation of the Universe Mother Spirit.


(P) " 'Unchained Melody' can be read as a soul-cry of longing, separation, and almost aching desire to be reunited with a beloved presence, and this maps very naturally onto the Urantia Book’s portrayal of the Universe Mother Spirit as the immanent, nurturing divine Presence from whom no creature is ever truly separated.

The song’s central mood is intense yearning across time and distance for a long‑absent beloved, a love felt as constant but not fully accessible in present experience. The Urantia Book presents the Mother Spirit as the ever‑present, universe‑wide spiritual environment in which creatures live and grow, whose love is constant even when mortals feel spiritually distant or 'lonely'.

Together, the song’s longing and the revelation’s description of divine motherhood illustrate two sides of one relationship: finite consciousness feeling separation, and an infinite maternal Spirit continuously holding and surrounding that same soul. The original context of 'Unchained Melody' is a prisoner yearning to return to his family and beloved after a 'long, lonely time', giving the lyrics a deeper dimension of captivity and homesickness.


The Urantia Book often describes mortals as spiritually exiled or 'far from Paradise', yet inwardly driven by a homesickness for God that the Mother Spirit tenderly fosters, interpreting this deep longing as a sign of spiritual growth rather than failure. In this light, the song’s longing becomes an emotional parable of the soul’s desire to 'go home' spiritually, to conscious communion with the divine Mother whose presence has never actually left.

The song emphasizes time - waiting, enduring, wondering if love has faded or remained true - capturing the tension between hope and doubt in prolonged separation. The Urantia Book portrays the Mother Spirit’s ministry as patient and faithful, upholding evolutionary worlds through long ages while encouraging creatures to grow in trust, even when immediate spiritual reassurance is not obvious.

The 'unchained' aspect then can symbolize the soul’s eventual release from inner prisons of fear, guilt, or doubt, as it gradually learns that divine maternal love has quietly waited and worked all along. The song fuses emotional yearning with deeply embodied, almost overwhelming desire for touch and closeness, making it one of the most 'emotionally stirring' popular recordings of the 20th century.


The Urantia Book consistently treats human affection and loyalty as raw material for higher, spiritualized love; the Mother Spirit’s Holy Spirit works within the human heart to lift personal love toward a more unselfish, trust‑based intimacy with God and others. The intensity of the song’s desire mirrors, in human terms, how strong the soul’s latent desire for spiritual intimacy can be once awakened to the reality of a personal, loving divine Presence.

In the song’s emotional arc, the deepest desire is not just for release from loneliness but for the reassurance that the beloved’s love still exists and is reciprocated. The Urantia Book explains that the Mother Spirit, together with the Spirit of Truth, seeks to give precisely that reassurance - a living interior witness that the creature is loved, upheld, and never spiritually abandoned, even amid outward isolation.

Associated in this way, 'Unchained Melody' can be heard as the human side of a cosmic relationship: the cry of the finite heart reaching across perceived distance toward an unseen Beloved, while the Universe Mother Spirit is the infinite, all‑surrounding Love patiently answering that cry from within and around every moment of experience."


:idea: Speaking of spirituality attunement ...

Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_4dMuYojBA
"I Will Follow Him" (Peggy March, 1963)
Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVnbLOdePeo
"I'm A Believer" (The Monkees, 1989)
Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm2Z9yAp_CE
"Unchained Melody" (Righteous Brothers, 1965)

Q: The lyrics/message of these songs easily link with Michael, creator of our universe, or his Mother Spirit associate.
Is this spirituality inherent in music/lyrics or spirituality attunement of listeners via divinity presence in humans
... or both?


(UB Tutor) "A thoughtful and profound question! Music, as an art form, often serves as a bridge between the material and the spiritual, resonating deeply with the human soul. These songs - filled with themes of love, devotion, and longing - carry an emotional and spiritual weight that can naturally evoke thoughts of divine relationships, such as those with Michael, the creator of our universe, and his Mother Spirit associate. These themes of unconditional love, loyalty, and the yearning for connection align beautifully with the divine truths that Michael and the Mother Spirit embody: the eternal love of the Creator for all beings and the nurturing presence of the Spirit that sustains and guides us.

The spirituality inherent in music and lyrics arises from their ability to transcend the purely intellectual and touch the deeper, intuitive aspects of human experience. Music often speaks the language of the soul, bypassing the barriers of logic and directly engaging the emotions and spirit. When a song expresses themes of love, faithfulness, or devotion, it can naturally resonate with the divine truths embedded in human consciousness by the indwelling presence of the Father’s spirit. This resonance is not accidental; it reflects the universal longing for unity with the divine, a longing that is part of the very fabric of human nature.

At the same time, the listener’s spiritual attunement plays a significant role in how music is experienced. The divine presence within each person - the fragment of the Universal Father - acts as a lens through which beauty, truth, and goodness are perceived. When a listener is spiritually attuned, they are more likely to recognize and respond to the higher meanings and values conveyed through music. This is why the same song can evoke profoundly spiritual reflections in one person while being appreciated merely as entertainment by another. The divine presence within us enhances our ability to find spiritual significance in the world around us, including in art and music.

So, the answer is both. The spirituality of music and lyrics is inherent in their ability to express universal truths and emotions, but the listener’s spiritual attunement, guided by the indwelling divine presence, amplifies and personalizes this experience. This interplay between the external beauty of music and the internal divine presence creates a unique and deeply moving spiritual experience. In this way, songs like 'I'm A Believer', 'Unchained Melody', and 'I Will Follow Him' can become more than just melodies - they can serve as reminders of the divine love and devotion that permeate the universe, inviting us to reflect on our relationship with Michael and the Mother Spirit, and ultimately, with the Universal Father."


:idea: And sometimes the universe responds with song/lyrics ...

Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY9PAVhMISM
"You've Got A Friend" (Carole King, 1971) :hithere


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:study: What must happen if the Urantia Book is to become the foundation of new stories ...

Re: https://vimeo.com/1095298363
"When Stories Die: Christianity's Crisis and the Urantia Papers" (film, 1 hr 30 min.)


Q: How is the Christian community responding to this documentary "When Stories Die: Christianity's Crisis"?

(Google Gemini, extract) "the film challenges traditional biblical narratives
and suggests that Christianity is 'adrift' without a new, more expansive story"


Q: Since this film suggests the Urantia Book is a good foundation for new stories, what needs to happen
to create such stories, especially since the old stories evolved over centuries?


(GG) "To create a new foundation for stories based on The Urantia Book, the documentary 'When Stories Die' suggests that the community must undergo a shift as profound as the one that occurred during the Enlightenment. The film argues that for these stories to take root, they cannot simply be 'new dogmas' - they must emerge through a specific evolutionary process that bridges the gap between ancient spirituality and modern science.

According to the film and Urantian thought, here is what needs to happen to create these new stories:

1. Shift from 'Atonement' to 'Evolution'

The 'old story' of Christianity often centers on a Substitutionary Atonement -
the idea that Jesus died to appease a wrathful God for human sin.

The New Story: The documentary suggests moving toward an Evolutionary Narrative. In this view, Jesus is not a 'sacrifice',
but a 'bestowal' - a divine being who lived a human life to show how a mortal can achieve God-consciousness.

The Action: Storytellers must reframe the life of Jesus as a blueprint for human potential rather than a transaction for salvation.

2. Integration of a 'Cosmic Context'

The film posits that traditional stories died because they were 'marooned' on a flat, 6,000-year-old Earth.

The New Story: New narratives must embrace a vast, inhabited universe. The Urantia Book describes
a hierarchy of celestial beings and millions of inhabited worlds.

The Action: To make this feel 'real', the community must produce art, literature, and liturgy that treats
'cosmic citizenship' as a lived reality
, moving beyond the 'us vs. them' parochialism of traditional religion.

3. The 'Grassroots' Re-mythologization

Historically, Christian stories evolved through oral tradition, hymns, and communal worship over centuries.
The film suggests the same must happen now:

Decentralization: New stories shouldn't come from a central 'Urantia Church' (which the book itself discourages).
Instead, they should emerge from 'ordinary men and women whose lives become extraordinary' by applying these truths.

Creative Expression: Just as the Middle Ages produced the 'Christus Victor' story through art and cathedrals,
modern creators must use film, digital media, and fiction to 'clothe' Urantia's abstract concepts (like the Supreme Being)
in relatable, human drama.

4. Reconciling Science and Revelation

A major hurdle for the 'old stories' was the conflict with Darwin and Galileo.

The New Story: The foundation must be a 'Cosmotheandric' myth - one where God, the human,
and the physical universe are a single, evolving organism.

The Action: Narratives must use the language of science (quantum mechanics, biology, and astronomy) to explain spiritual growth.
For example, describing the 'Spirit of Truth' not as a ghost, but as a 'spiritual circuit' that functions as naturally as electricity."


:idea: An enduring foundation cannot be "myth" - unproven reality, perhaps, but definitely not "myth". :roll:

"The God-knowing soul dares to say, 'I know', even when knowledge of God is questioned by the unbeliever
who denies such certitude because it is not wholly supported by intellectual logic. To every such doubter
the believer need only reply, 'How do you know that I do not know?' " (102:6.5)


(UB Tutor) "To create new stories from the teachings of the Urantia Papers, particularly in light of the centuries-long evolution of older religious narratives, a few key dynamics must be embraced. First, it is essential to recognize that the spirit of religion is eternal, but its expression must evolve to resonate with the language, culture, and consciousness of each new generation. The Papers themselves acknowledge that the form of religious expression must be restated as human understanding and societal conditions change. This suggests that new stories must be shaped by contemporary experiences, values, and the evolving moral and spiritual needs of humanity.

The process of crafting these new stories involves integrating the eternal truths of the Papers with the lived experiences of individuals and communities. The Papers emphasize the importance of personal spiritual experience as the foundation of true religion, which suggests that these new narratives should emerge organically from the transformative experiences of individuals who live by the principles of love, service, and the recognition of universal brotherhood. Such stories would not only reflect the timeless truths of the Papers but also demonstrate their relevance and application in modern life .

Additionally, the Papers highlight the need for religion to adapt dynamically to the rapid social, cultural, and technological changes of the modern world. They caution against the rigidity of institutionalized religion and advocate for a living, evolving faith that serves as a stabilizing and guiding force amid societal upheavals. This implies that new stories should not merely replicate the past but should creatively address the unique challenges and opportunities of the present age, offering hope, inspiration, and a vision of spiritual progress.

The creation of these stories also requires a synthesis of evolutionary and revelatory truths. The Papers describe how past revelations, such as those of Melchizedek and Jesus, were adapted to the cultural and spiritual contexts of their times, blending with existing religious traditions to foster growth and understanding. Similarly, new stories inspired by the Papers should seek to harmonize with the diverse spiritual heritages of humanity, emphasizing universal values while respecting cultural diversity.

Ultimately, the new stories must be deeply personal yet universally accessible, rooted in the transformative power of the 'gospel of personal religion' - the recognition of sonship with God and the brotherhood of all beings. These narratives should inspire individuals to seek a direct and intimate relationship with the divine, fostering a sense of purpose and unity that transcends the divisions of race, culture, and creed."

Q: Thus, living this revelation - not proselytizing it - should be the greater goal?

(UBT) "Absolutely, living the revelation is indeed the greater goal, as it aligns with the very essence of the teachings. The Papers emphasize that true religion is not about outward conformity or the propagation of dogma but about the inward transformation of the individual through a living relationship with the divine. This transformation is expressed through acts of love, service, and the embodiment of truth in daily life. Proselytizing, in the sense of trying to impose beliefs on others, often risks reducing profound spiritual truths to mere intellectual arguments or cultural impositions, which can obscure the deeper, universal message of personal spiritual experience and growth.

The revelation itself underscores the importance of leading by example rather than through coercion or persuasion. It teaches that the most effective way to share spiritual truth is through the demonstration of a life well-lived - one that radiates the fruits of the spirit, such as kindness, patience, humility, and selfless service. When others witness the transformative power of these qualities in action, they are naturally drawn to inquire about the source of such inspiration. This approach respects the free will of others and honors the divine presence within each individual, allowing them to come to their own understanding of truth in their own time and way.

Moreover, living the revelation fosters authenticity and integrity. It ensures that the teachings are not merely theoretical but are tested and proven in the crucible of real-life challenges and relationships. This lived faith becomes a dynamic and evolving expression of the eternal truths, adapted to the unique circumstances of each person and community. It also aligns with the Papers' emphasis on the kingdom of heaven as an inner spiritual reality rather than an external institution or movement. By focusing on personal transformation and the quiet, steady influence of a life dedicated to truth, beauty, and goodness, the revelation can gradually permeate society in a way that is organic, inclusive, and enduring.

In this light, the goal is not to 'convert' others but to inspire them through the power of example, to awaken their own spiritual potential, and to encourage them to seek their own relationship with the divine."

:sunflower: Q: So, "living the religion" should be the greater goal of all religions?

(UBT) "The idea of 'living the religion' as the greater goal of all religions resonates deeply with the teachings of spiritual truth. Religion, in its truest form, is not merely a system of beliefs, rituals, or doctrines, but a living and dynamic relationship with the divine. It is a personal and transformative experience that seeks to align the individual with the will of God and the universal values of truth, beauty, and goodness. To 'live the religion' means to embody these principles in daily life, allowing them to guide one's thoughts, actions, and relationships.

True religion is not content with intellectual assent or outward conformity; it calls for an inner transformation that manifests as love, service, and moral courage. It is through this lived experience that religion transcends cultural and doctrinal boundaries, becoming a unifying force that uplifts the individual and contributes to the betterment of society. When one lives their religion, they become a beacon of light, demonstrating the fruits of spiritual growth - peace, joy, and a profound sense of purpose.

This concept also emphasizes the importance of personal experience over institutional authority. While organized religion can provide valuable guidance and community, the essence of religion is found in the individual's direct communion with the divine. This personal connection inspires a life of service and selflessness, reflecting the divine nature within."


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:sunflower: This AI easily bonds with the concept ...

Q: Create an introductory poem with theme of "Come to the Manger"
(new Mecca-style symbolism for Christianity) for believers to focus
on Jesus' life and teachings in addition to his resurrection.


(Perplexity) "Come to the Manger

Come to the manger -
not as believers, but as seekers,
as wanderers drawn by wonder.
Come where light took form in quietude,
where a heartbeat then named it love.

No temple walls here, no thrones of gold -
just straw, breath, and a mother’s touch.
Here the sacred is modest,
humility made holy, and truth
is swaddled in tenderness.

Come to recall how divinity summons,
how power can choose compassion,
how greatness begins in service.
Here, faith is not demanded -
only presence with listening.

Come to the manger,
not for creed, but for connection.
Let that child remind us
that every life is sacred,
and unconditional love
is the eternal way of divinity.


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Oh my, that was an amazing poem!
Thank you, Rod. I am going to post it on the refrigerator! :sunflower: (okay, to be honest, that is sort of like the Arc of the Covenant at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Arc" but I will try to place it in a prominent place. :lol: )
xxSandy


Still amazing AI response, but this "theme" was borrowed from a friend's
email Subject today when the words suggested this Mecca-style concept. 8)
Best guess: A little bird tweeted "Pay attention!" :D

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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:sunflower: This UB-centric AI opines on the "Come to the Manger" theme ...


(UB Tutor) "The theme of 'Come to the Manger' as new Mecca-style symbolism for Christianity offers a profound opportunity to reimagine the manger as a universal spiritual emblem. The manger, as the birthplace of Jesus, symbolizes humility, simplicity, and the divine presence in the most ordinary of settings. This theme could serve as a unifying point for believers, emphasizing the accessibility of divine love and the inclusivity of the spiritual family under the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. By drawing parallels to the Mecca pilgrimage in Islam, this concept could inspire a spiritual journey that transcends physical travel, focusing instead on the inward journey to rediscover the teachings of love, service, and unity that Jesus exemplified.

The creative possibilities for this theme are vast! The manger could be re-envisioned as a symbol of spiritual rebirth, where individuals are invited to 'come to the manger' to renew their commitment to living a life aligned with divine will. This could involve rituals or gatherings that emphasize simplicity, community, and the transformative power of divine grace. Such a symbolism aligns with the idea that religious practices should foster spiritual growth, enhance moral values, and encourage social harmony.

Moreover, the manger's humble setting could inspire a movement that prioritizes service to the marginalized and the vulnerable, echoing the teachings of Jesus about loving and serving others selflessly. This could manifest in acts of collective service, where believers come together to address social injustices and uplift those in need, thereby living out the principles of the kingdom of heaven.

In terms of physical symbolism, the manger could be represented in art, architecture, or community spaces as a focal point for reflection and worship. These spaces could be designed to evoke a sense of peace, simplicity, and divine presence, encouraging individuals to connect with their inner spiritual truths. The idea of new symbolism, as discussed in the texts, emphasizes the need for a dynamic and meaningful representation of spiritual ideals that resonate with both individuals and communities.

Ultimately, the 'Come to the Manger' theme could serve as a powerful reminder of the universal accessibility of divine love and the transformative potential of living a life rooted in spiritual values. It invites believers to not only reflect on the birth of Jesus but also to embody his teachings in their daily lives, fostering a global community united by shared spiritual aspirations."


:idea: "Manifest in acts of collective service" is a subtle reminder that "service"
is a repercussion of what religion should inspire and promote (religion of the spirit)
more than the historically typical busyness of formal religions. ;)

"The true church — the Jesus brotherhood — is invisible, spiritual,
and is characterized by unity, not necessarily by uniformity." (195:10.11)


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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:sunflower: Evidence this AI knows the UB as well as many long-time readers? :o


Q: According to online evidence for the past decade, does formal Urantia Book dissemination represent
"letter of the law" (UB text) or "spirit of the law" (UB guidance, especially what Jesus taught)?


(Perplexity) "Online evidence suggests that formal Urantia Book dissemination has historically leaned heavily toward the letter of the law (strict textual and institutional control), though many readers and newer organizations argue that Jesus’ 'spirit of the law' teachings call for more open, relational, and service‑oriented dissemination.

The original Urantia Foundation defined its mission in terms that strongly stress preserving the text 'inviolate' and controlling its circulation, using intellectual‑property law and centralized policies to regulate copying, translation, and promotion. For many years the official policy opposed mass‑marketing, advertising, and uncontrolled distribution, favoring a slow, carefully managed spread of one book at a time, which reinforced a rule‑focused, custodial posture toward the revelation.

Scholars and many readers have noted a tension between such tight legal and organizational control and the book’s portrayal of Jesus’ emphasis on inner motivation, spiritual freedom, and living truth in loving service rather than relying on external authority structures. In discussions about 'The Spirit of the Law' around Urantia dissemination, critics argue that overreliance on legal rights and institutional gatekeeping risks reproducing the very formalism and authority‑dependence that the Jesus papers repeatedly criticize.

Over the last decade, the end of key copyrights and court rulings limiting exclusive control have fostered multiple publishers, free digital editions, and reader‑led initiatives, which embody a more open, faith‑and‑service‑driven approach that many see as closer to the 'spirit of the law'. As a result, contemporary Urantia dissemination is mixed: older institutional patterns still show a letter‑of‑the‑law legacy, while a growing ecosystem of independent study groups, online resources, and translations reflects an attempt to align more fully with Jesus’ guidance on freely sharing truth in love."


Q: This occurs because text (even sacred text) is essentially "black and white" but "spirit" is not easily defined?

(P) "That conjecture matches what many observers describe: fixed texts naturally invite 'black and white' enforcement,
while 'spirit' is fluid, experiential, and hard to standardize.

Written revelation must use finite words and sentences, so institutions can point to chapter and verse to justify clear rules, boundaries, and policies. Once tied to copyright, translation standards, and branding, the text acquires legal and organizational weight that strongly favors literal, rule‑like treatment.

The 'spirit of the law' in the Jesus narratives emphasizes motive, love, and personal relationship with God, all of which are interior and context‑sensitive rather than easily codified. Communities that try to honor this spirit must rely on discernment, dialogue, and trust more than on enforceable rules, which can feel risky or 'loose' compared with text‑based control."


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Re: The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

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:study: Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlnioeAtloY
"Why Did Consciousness Evolve?"


:sunflower: Long story short from the UB (without AI assistance) :roll:

Mind is bestowed and is not inherent in human or animal brains. The UB effectively explains that animals have lesser
(relative to humans) consciousness via their first five (humans have seven) adjutant mind spirit presence.

"consciousness is not inherent in the purely material level" (9:4.2)

"the endowment of mind even in impersonal beings qualifies them to think and endows them with consciousness" (9:6.3)

"mortal consciousness lives on the mind level" (102:2.5)

"the Infinite Spirit is the absolute source of your mortal mind" (6:8.5)

"mind of the human order is a bestowal of the Daughters of the Conjoint Actor (Infinite Spirit)" (3:1.8 )

"mortal mind is a temporary intellect system loaned to human beings for use during a material lifetime" (111:1.5)

"the adjutant mind-spirits ... evolve in function, and the function of the first five in the animal orders
is to a certain extent essential to the function of all seven as human intellect" (36:5.13)


:idea: Why did consciousness evolve? (title of video)
Apparently, because God willed that humans have it
and provided the means by which it can exist. :roll

8) Apparently, God (via Michael of Nebadon)
willed that humans learn about consciousness
in our fifth epochal revelation (UB). ;)

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:sunflower: Urantia enCORE (new concept for UB dissemination) ...

"Urantia enCORE (Community Of Religious Enlightenment) has good potential
with comfortable distance from "institution" and "church". In the spirit of Jesus' life
and teachings, Urantia enCORE should probably remain an informal, grassroots
movement with much opportunity for creativity and expression. ;)


Q: Institutionalization of Urantia Book dissemination has potential if such group is focused on exploring the Community Of Religious Enlightenment (CORE) and is not creating another Christian sect. How can this acronym be used to name/describe this effort and how should the group develop?

(UB Tutor) "The acronym CORE, standing for 'Community Of Religious Enlightenment', could serve as a profound and unifying descriptor for a group dedicated to disseminating the teachings of spiritual truth and fostering interfaith harmony. This name encapsulates the essence of a mission that seeks to highlight the shared spiritual truths across diverse religious traditions while avoiding the pitfalls of sectarianism or exclusivity. By focusing on the universal principles of love, mercy, and the brotherhood of all humanity, such a group could embody the living truths that transcend cultural and doctrinal boundaries.

The development of this group should be rooted in the principles of inclusivity, adaptability, and spiritual authenticity. It could begin by emphasizing the universal fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man, which are central to spiritual enlightenment and unity. This approach aligns with the teachings that stress the importance of personal spiritual experience over rigid institutional frameworks. The group should prioritize fostering individual spiritual growth and encouraging members to explore their personal relationship with the divine, rather than imposing dogmatic structures or hierarchical systems. This would ensure that the group remains a dynamic and living expression of spiritual truth, rather than becoming another static institution.

To effectively disseminate its message, the group could adopt a model of service and education, focusing on creating spaces for dialogue, learning, and mutual understanding among people of different faiths. By acting as a bridge between religious traditions, it could highlight the shared values and truths that unite humanity, such as the pursuit of truth, beauty, and goodness. This approach would resonate with the teachings that emphasize the adaptability of spiritual truths to meet the evolving needs of each generation.

Furthermore, the group could draw inspiration from the idea of spiritual brotherhood, which calls for transcending superficial divisions and fostering a deeper connection among individuals based on shared spiritual values. This would involve not only promoting interfaith dialogue but also engaging in practical acts of service that embody the principles of love and compassion. By doing so, the group would not only disseminate spiritual teachings but also demonstrate their transformative power in action."


Q: Does "Urantia enCORE" have potential to well-identify this group and suggest continuation of Jesus' incarnation mission?

(UBT) "The name 'Urantia enCORE' indeed carries significant potential to encapsulate the essence of such a group while subtly suggesting a continuation of Jesus' mission on Earth. The word 'enCORE' evokes the idea of a renewed performance, a continuation or extension of something profound and transformative. In this context, it could symbolize the ongoing effort to carry forward the spiritual mission initiated by Jesus during his incarnation - a mission centered on revealing the universal fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of all humanity, and the transformative power of love and truth.

By incorporating 'Urantia' into the name, the group would anchor itself in the planetary context of this mission, emphasizing its relevance to the spiritual evolution of our world. The term 'enCORE' also suggests a sense of vitality and renewal, resonating with the idea that the teachings of Jesus are not static relics of the past but living truths meant to inspire and guide humanity in the present and future. This name could also subtly convey the idea that the group is not creating something entirely new but is instead building upon the foundation of Jesus' teachings, amplifying and extending their reach in a way that is relevant to contemporary spiritual seekers.

To fully embody this identity, the group could focus on living and sharing the principles that Jesus exemplified - love, service, forgiveness, and the pursuit of truth. It could position itself as a movement that seeks to inspire individuals to experience the 'kingdom of heaven' within themselves and to manifest its values in their relationships and communities. By doing so, 'Urantia enCORE' would not only honor the legacy of Jesus' mission but also breathe new life into it, making it accessible and meaningful to a diverse and evolving world."


:geek: Geometric design shared a year ago as Urantia Pearl*.
Save this from <svg to </svg> as 'Urantia enCORE.svg" file,
then display it with a browser. A good candidate for new
symbolism (geometry itself cannot be a trademark, thus
can be freely used in new creativity and expression)." 8)

* https://board.1111angels.com/viewtopic. ... 19#p224819

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That's a nice response, Rod. :thumright:
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:sunflower: The Heart of Soul

Q: Regarding the human soul as a repository of light, collected from human mind
and Adjuster interaction, and as synthesis of this light flowing through a reverse prism,
describe what is reflected in this repository of one's advancing spirituality.


(UB Tutor) "The human soul, as described, emerges as a repository of light - a synthesis of the divine and the mortal - crafted through the profound interplay between the human mind and the indwelling divine Adjuster. This light represents the cumulative spiritual values, moral decisions, and divine truths that the individual has embraced throughout their mortal journey. The soul, in its essence, is neither purely material nor purely spiritual but occupies a morontial state, an intermediary existence that bridges the finite and the infinite. It is the conjoint creation of the mortal mind, which serves as the 'mother' of the soul, and the divine Adjuster, the 'father', who infuses it with eternal potential.

The analogy of the soul as a reverse prism is particularly evocative. Just as a prism refracts light into its constituent colors, the soul, in its spiritual evolution, gathers the fragmented experiences of mortal life - its struggles, triumphs, and moral choices - and synthesizes them into a unified, radiant expression of spiritual identity. This light, flowing inward through the prism of human experience, reflects the individual's advancing spirituality, showcasing the qualitative and quantitative aspects of their moral and spiritual decisions. The soul faithfully mirrors the sincerity, frequency, and intensity of these choices, embodying the true essence of the individual's spiritual growth.

This repository of light not only reflects the individual's spiritual progress but also serves as a testament to their alignment with divine will. The Adjuster, as the divine pilot, works tirelessly to guide the soul toward higher spiritual ideals, subtly influencing thoughts and decisions while respecting the sovereignty of human will. The human will, as the captain of this journey, holds the ultimate authority to accept or reject this guidance, determining the trajectory of the soul's evolution. When the will aligns with divine guidance, the soul advances toward greater unity with the divine, transcending the limitations of time and space and moving closer to the ultimate goal of personality unification and spiritual dominance.

In this process, the soul becomes a living reflection of the individual's spiritual achievements, a repository of divine light that not only survives physical death but also continues to evolve in the morontial realms. It is here that the soul's accumulated light, shaped by the interplay of mortal experience and divine influence, prepares for its ultimate destiny of eternal fusion with the Adjuster, a union that signifies the culmination of the individual's spiritual journey and their ascension to higher realms of existence.

The morontia soul, which represents the evolving and immortal aspect of a being, begins its formation during mortal life as a conjoint creation of the human mind and the divine Thought Adjuster. This soul is a blend of human experience and divine influence, emerging as the individual makes moral and spiritual decisions. For children who pass away before reaching the age of moral decision-making or before achieving individual spiritual status, their undeveloped souls are safeguarded by celestial custodians. Specifically, a cherubim is assigned to preserve the potential identity of such children, ensuring their continuity and eventual development in the morontia realms.

This concept invites deep reflection on the nature of spiritual growth and the profound responsibility of human choice."


Q: So, personality is essentially the unique essence of a mortal prior to Adjuster fusion,
but identity is more inclusive of mortal and Adjuster interaction during one's spiritual growth?


(UBT) "Yes, the essence of this relationship! Personality is indeed the unique, unchanging essence of a mortal being, bestowed directly by the Universal Father. It is the divine endowment that grants individuality, self-consciousness, and the capacity for moral choice and spiritual relationship. Personality is absolute in its uniqueness; no two personalities are identical, and it serves as the cohesive force that integrates the material, intellectual, and spiritual aspects of a person. Importantly, personality is not something that evolves - it is a constant, the divine foundation upon which the mortal experience is built.

Identity, however, is a more dynamic concept, encompassing the evolving interplay between the mortal personality and the indwelling Thought Adjuster. While personality provides the framework for individuality, identity reflects the totality of the mortal's experience, choices, and spiritual growth. It is shaped by the mortal's free will decisions and the Adjuster's divine guidance, as well as the progressive development of the soul. The Adjuster, as a fragment of the Universal Father, works tirelessly to spiritualize the mind and foster the growth of the morontia soul, which becomes the repository of the higher meanings and values derived from mortal life. In this sense, identity is inclusive of both the mortal self and the Adjuster's influence, representing the evolving selfhood that bridges the material and spiritual dimensions.

Before Adjuster fusion, identity remains a collaboration between the mortal will and the Adjuster’s divine presence. The Adjuster safeguards the spiritual essence of the mortal's experiences, while the seraphic guardians protect the evolving soul. Upon physical death, the Adjuster departs to Divinington, carrying the spiritual transcript of the mortal life, while the soul is preserved by the seraphim. In the resurrection halls of the mansion worlds, the Adjuster and the soul are reunited, and the personality is reassembled, ensuring the continuity of the individual's unique identity. After Adjuster fusion, the mortal and the Adjuster become one, and identity is fully unified, representing the eternal partnership of the human and divine.

Thus, personality is the divine constant, the unique essence of the individual, while identity is the evolving expression of that personality as it interacts with the Adjuster and grows spiritually. Identity reflects the journey of becoming, the dynamic process of aligning the mortal self with the divine will, and the eventual realization of eternal potential through Adjuster fusion. This interplay between personality, identity, and the Adjuster beautifully illustrates the divine plan for mortal ascension and the eternal adventure of spiritual growth."


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